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So far we have looked at 4 big prayer-traditions and the Lord’s Prayer. Now we are going on with a look at more dumb things Christians pray…

“Please forgive me…”

Shocking, I know. I looked at this briefly in the Lord’s Prayer article but I want to address it again. Asking God for forgiveness as a believer is basically professing that you are still in need of forgiveness. If you are still in need of forgiveness then by definition you are not saved. Being saved means YOU HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN. Not partially, not day by day, HAVE BEEN. That’s Present Perfect Tense people. That means a specific action (in this case forgiveness) happened in the past, before now. Instead of asking for forgiveness, or doubting that you were actually forgiven, just thank Jesus for having completely forgiven you the day you got saved.

“Stir us up Lord!”

Again, shocking. What did Paul say about stirring up? In 2 Tim 1:6 he tells Timothy to stir up the gift inside him. That means if you are not stirred up it’s not God’s fault. You need to stir yourself up.

“Holy Spirit, show me everything I am doing wrong…”

This is really scary. First off, the knowledge of sin (what you are doing wrong) comes through the law (Rom 3:20). So by asking the Holy Spirit to give you the knowledge of sin is to ask to be placed back under law. What is the first thing you will feel when you are shown something you are doing wrong? Guilt and condemnation. What ministry is that of again? Oh, right, the ministry of DEATH (2 Cor 3). So asking the Holy Spirit to show you all the wrong you are doing is asking to be ministered to by death. And Christians wonder why they never see the blessings manifest?? It’s because they are praying themselves into death. It’s the knowledge of good and evil that was the downfall of man yet we pray for that knowledge whenever we pray this. That is asking to fail. Stop it!

“We are hungry for You Lord! We are Thirsty for more of you!”

Although I understand the concept of desire, I am not hungry or thirsty. Jesus said in John 6:35 that whoever comes to Him shall NOT hunger and shall NEVER thirst. Hunger and thirst shows there is a need that has to be fulfilled. If you are physically hungry you eat. Once you’ve eaten, you are no longer hungry. This is deep theology I know. Before I was married, I had a ‘hunger’ to be married. Now that I am married, I no longer hunger for marriage. I desire to spend as much time with my wife as possible, but I am not hungry because my need for marriage has been met. Before I was saved my need for Jesus was not satisfied. I was hungry and thirsty. Now I have Him, ALL OF HIM and I no longer hunger or thirst for Him. Sure I desire greater revelations and more awesome adventures together on in the harvest field, but I do not hunger or thirst. My needs are completely met in Jesus. My declaration is instead “You have satisfied my hunger and You have quenched my thirst! Your living water sustains me in every moment!”

“Lord, reveal yourself to this person so they can know you.”

Although that does sound very cool, the fact remains that God wants to be revealed through you. Jesus said to people that if they knew Him, they knew the Father. Jesus now lives in and through us. Whenever you are doing the same and greater works of Jesus, you are making known the revelation of the Father. The more you look like Jesus, the more you reveal the Father to those around you. What did Jesus do? He preached the Kingdom, healed the sick, raised the dead, cast out demons, cleansed the lepers, loved sinners. God would be revealed more if you actually get out of your huddled prayer meetings and start representing Jesus to the people. The harvest is ready. They are waiting for you while you are waiting for God.

Please know that everything I am writing against I once prayed myself. Thank God for revelation!

Yours in Grace!

Cornel

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29 Responses to More Dumb Things Believers Pray…

  • Samu says:

    oh snap! thanks for this! that forgiveness/forgiven thing came up recently (through RoR i think?) and i’ve been wrestling with the parable of the wicked servant, thinking “were Jesus’ words then directed to the listeners under the old covenant?”.. i mean…that’s the only thing that really adds up, though, and it’s one of those things that sounds too good to be!!! haha… ooooh Jesus…. this whole “hunger and thirst” thing is also tough to get around, when looking at the beautitudes and thinking “i’ve been reading this wrong all my life??”… anything to add? i guess the whole deal with desiring God is a tough one and i’ve come into this strange place of not knowing how to relate to God, you know? like “….what can i ask for anymore? how can i desire Him and still be in line with the Word”.

  • Cornel says:

    Most people base their relationship with god on supply and demand. We demand and God just has to supply. If the sum total of your prayer life consists of just asking for stuff, then you are missing out on real relationship. It’s like people suddenly wanting to be friends with the guy who has lots of money. The relationship is shallow and only based on what you can get most often. God fellowshipped with Adam and Eve in the Garden every day. They had no needs, no worries, no sin, no sickness, no financial issues, no person to preach to either. They just fellowshipped and talked to God. God becomes more real to you the more you treat Him like a real person. Just TALK to Him like you would anybody else. Make 2 cups of coffee, drink one, give one to Him and just chat. There is nothing wrong with desiring more. But the first step to getting more is realising you have everything in Christ.

  • Philip says:

    Thanks again Cornel for another awesome post. My wife and I are on a journey of having all the religion stripped out of our lives and your articles are part of that journey! Bless you guys.

  • Samu says:

    haha yeah man, thanks. that was actually just what i needed to hear in the midst of everything that’s going on right now. i remember now, how the easiest and most natural way i refer to God is like i am with my wife or with my friends, not through all that hyper religious mumbojumbo. by the way, your book doesn’t happen to be available as print on amazon, is it?

  • Josh H. says:

    First of all, I was intrigued by your first statement on asking for forgiveness. In studying what living a life of grace really looks like I’ve had to rethink parts of my relationship with God that may not be Biblical (such as praying some of the things you’re mentioning here). But what role (if any) DOES confession play in the life of a Christian? What about repentance? Example: Jim Bakker once had a successful ministry, he committed fraud and went to prison. He has changed his ways & is now in successful ministry again. No doubt he prayed prayers of repentance asking God’s forgiveness. Was he wrong to do so?

    “Show me everything I’m doing wrong” I have no problem with praying something like this. What if a person prayed “show me everything I’m doing wrong” and the Lord led that believer to your website so that he could discover his errors in praying? Just saying….

    I appreciate what you’re expressing with this article, but be careful that you’re not putting folks under condemnation (for that is of the law as well). I pray that I’m hungry and thirsty for God all the time. Doesn’t mean he hasn’t filled me sufficiently. By it I just mean that I want greater and greater revelation of Him. It is impossible for a Christian, at any point in his life and spiritual growth, to be able to say “I completely understand God. I am completely full of knowledge of him. No need to ever want to know more. I got Him nailed down.”

  • Frøydis says:

    We often sing a song in church which is based on the words from Psalms 42:2-3. But of corse, we now have the new convenant, and because of Jesus don’t need to bee hungry or thirsty any more! I haven’t realised that before now. Must tell the others in church! Thanks!

  • Trey says:

    2 Things.

    1. If I shouldn’t pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal sin in my life, how am I convicted of sin? Is it not possible to be convicted of sin without being condemned? (My question really is linked to how then does godly grief- the type of grief described in 2 corinthians 7 which leads to repentance, come about)

    2. About the last point, is it a problem to pray for Galatians 1:15-16 to happen to someone, cuz that seems to be what you are saying.

  • Cornel says:

    @ Trey: Romans 3:20 says through the law is the knowledge of sin. The Holy Spirit doesn’t convict you of sin. Read the article below for more clarification.

    http://www.charismaministries.org/does-the-holy-spirit-convict-christians-of-their-sins/

    About the last thing I mentioned about God revealing Himself. Let me just clear up some confusion. God can and does reveal Himself to people apart from man’s involvement. There was Paul, Timothy, all the others who saw Jesus after the resurrection etc. I am not boxing God in, I am just reminding people that a big part of the reason why you are still here as a saved son of God is to reveal your Father to the world. Too many hide behind their pastors or even behind God’s visitations so they don’t have to go out and do what God said to do. That’s all I was aiming at with what I said.

  • Cornel says:

    @ Josh,

    I have an article called “Do Christians have to confess their sin before it can be forgiven” or something like that. Here is the link:

    http://www.charismaministries.org/do-you-have-to-confess-a-sin-before-it-can-be-forgiven/

    It will explain more about the confession issue you were asking about. Basically confession is more about what you have in Christ (Philemon 1:6) and not about your sins. Repentance is changing your mind. That will lead to a change in behaviour but that is a result of repentance, not repentance itself. The Bible says bear fruit keeping with repentance. That means the change of behaviour is the fruit of repentance. Repentance is not the behaviour change.

    You can correct somebody without condemnation. I have received many emails since writing the last 3 articles on prayer in which people thank me for the freedom I have shown them in their prayer life. They weren’t condemned by what I said. Like I said in my closing sentence, I prayed all these things before. Since changing a few small things in the way I do things, I have seen more power released then when I prayed dumb prayers. God will often times answer dumb prayers because He loves you more than He loves correct prayer. People look for methods and formulas. God looks at heart and motive. It’s not so much what you say when you pray but knowing who you are connected to when you speak.

    You can pray that you stay hungry and thirsty all the time. That is your choice. I choose to believe Jesus that said He filled my hunger and quenched my thirst with living water. If you have a problem with that, take John 6:35 out of your Bible. You say it is impossible to understand God completely. God says I have the mind of Christ. I pretty sure Jesus understands God completely so I do have the capacity to understand Him in all His fullness. I am done limiting myself. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

    Don’t worry about leaving lots of comments or asking questions. I am happy to discuss anything with anybody. You can even disagree as much as you want. It keeps me on my toes. Thanks for your inputs!

    Yours in Grace,

    Cornel

  • Cornel says:

    @ Joseph

    Faith makes the Word flesh in our bodies. Meditation, prayer, worship, etc are things that aid us by getting us in a position of faith or it help us to stir ourselves up. The key is not in method, it is in faith and faith alone. Some get there through meditation, some get there in worship.

  • joseph lim says:

    Thks Cornel. How do a christian get healing? if healing is not manifested after much time, is there any area of lack of understanding or wrong believing? how to get lies or wrong belief out….i recently realised trying to meditate “By Jesus Stripes i were already healed”….but unknowingly had been trying to make WORD to become flesh thru my frequent meditatn…..realised it is under law! what is easier way forward? i hv been praying in tongue also.

  • Cornel says:

    Jesus only gave two reasons for failure. Unbelief (Matt 17:19-20) and the traditions of man (Mark 7:7-9). Paul added another that said we don’t discern the Lord’s body (1 Cor 11:29-30) which could just link up with unbelief. If you want to have healing manifested, you need to have faith and then act accordingly. Don’t waver. Jesus taught to heal the sick you can speak to the problem, lay hands, anoint with oil etc. There are various methods to administer healing but if faith is not in the mix you are administering out of hope and then chances are at best 50/50 to see the healing manifest. In my own experience, trying to get it to work on your own seems to be pretty difficult. When you get alongside somebody who sees greater results then you and you work with them, you start seeing greater results on your own. God intended us to work together, not as lone gun men.

    To get lies and wrong believing out, change your mind or renew your mind to truth. You need to think differently as an instinctive response. If you have to think about it, when it is not automatic, your mind is not renewed to that truth.

    If you want good teaching on healing, listen to the Divine Healing Training by Curry Blake. Here is a link to the latest one:

    http://www.revivalorriots.org/jglm-dht

  • Josh H. says:

    Cornel,
    I will take John 6:35 out of the Bible if you take Romans 11:33 out of the Bible! ;D

    “Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!” You can not know God in all His fullness (at least not in this life). We see as in a mirror darkly. We will not fully know him until we see Him face to face, therefore the statement that we have the mind of Christ must mean something different.

    And about John 6:35, there is a difference between being hungry because you have no food and desiring more of what you’ve already partaken of. It’s the difference between starving to death and wanting seconds. Jesus was speaking to people who did not know him. That’s not the way in which I mean it when I pray it.

    Yes, you can correct folks without being condemning. The reason I brought i up is I can just see how some people may take things and become so preoccupied w/ what their saying & making sure they get their prayers in the right order and the right verbiage that they fall into bondage of always trying to say the right things the right way. Our works (and even our words) are as filthy rags. It’s His grace that accomplishes everything. In every case of a healing in scripture that I can think of right now it was the faith of either the person requesting the healing or the person praying for healing on someone else’s behalf that made the difference. Sometimes it wasn’t a prayer at all: “Stretch forth thine hand.” “Receive thy sight.” “Your faith has made you well.”

    I’m glad I found your site. I’m just glad somebody is talking in depth about these things. By the way, contrary to how it may seem, there’s plenty that you and I agree on! ;)

  • Alex says:

    You said not to ask the Holy Spirit to convict us of sin, yet in John 16:8-11 Jesus says
    “When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. ”

    As far as I know, a ministry of the Holy Spirit is conviction of sin. I also know that not all guilt is deadly- there is godly guilt, the leads to repentance, and worldy guilt, that leads to death (2 Cor 7:10)

    In my understanding of this, the Holy Spirit will make us aware of sin in our lives that we may remove it. It is not to bring us on a guilt trip, as we are forgiven. Though we should have “godly sorrow” in that we are sorry that we have acted that way, or neglected to act that way, and thus repent to live more for Christ. Conviction- not condemnation.

    How do I reconcile this with what you said above?

  • Cornel says:

    @ Alex

    If you read John 16 very carefully, you will find that the Holy Spirit convicts THE WORLD of sin. Are you of the world or are you saved? Just before this Jesus told the disciples that they are not from THE WORLD.

    Joh 15:19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. But because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

    So if believers are not of the world and the Holy Spirit convicts the worlds of sin, then that means He doesn’t convict us of sin. In fact, if you read verse 9 of John 16 it says: “in regard to sin, because they do not believe in me.” That means the sin the Holy Spirit convicts the world of is unbelief. Once you believe and are saved, He convicts you of RIGHTEOUSNESS. I explain it all in more detail in this article below:

    http://www.charismaministries.org/does-the-holy-spirit-convict-christians-of-their-sins/

    Read it first and let me know if you have any more questions.

    In Grace,

    Cornel

  • Cornel says:

    @ Josh

    1Co 2:9-12 But as it is written, “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,” nor has it entered into the heart of man, “the things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” 10 BUT GOD HAS REVEALED THEM TO US BY HIS SPIRIT; for the Spirit searches all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man within him? So also no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 But we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit from God, SO THAT WE MIGHT KNOW ALL THINGS THAT ARE FREELY GIVEN TO US BY GOD.

    Glad we agree on some points. :)

    Cornel

  • Mike Laabs says:

    Hello Cornel,

    a big hug from Germany! :-)

    A few days ago I received your book “so do you think…”
    I like it very much. It’s the truth! Awesome! Jesus you are great!
    Thanks for my brother Cornel! :-)

    Since now I nearaly had the impression that only Andrew Wommack knows God so far. ;-)

    Now I know that the pride of Christ comes into sceen for the glory of God!

    Mike

  • Alex says:

    Thanks Cornel :)
    It’s gonna take a while to uproot a bunch of false teaching, but I thank God that he could teach me through people like you.

    Have a great day :D

  • Mike Laabs says:

    Thanks Cornel for the link!

    I will leave a message there.

    Man I love your book! It’s what people need to hear! The truth! :-D
    I tried to preach out of my understanding from the brain, that didn’t affect people that much.

    Now I know I need my heart grounded in the truth!

    I know that’s gonna be happen day by day!

    Great is Our God and most worthy to be praised!

    Thank you Jesus!

    Mike

  • Mike Laabs says:

    Hello Cornel,

    yesterday evening I was listening to your short answers on mp3.

    On “does a sick person…” you spoke about when faith is present, faith will work.

    We only need a mustard size of it to move mountains.

    Maybe I understood you wrong.

    But encouraged by your open and kindness way to approach different matters, I thought I let you know what I think is right concerning this.

    The father of the lunatic boy said; I have faith help my unbelieve.

    Jesus took the blind man outside the city.

    In both cases faith was present. Jesus was there, and even the father said that he had faith in the first instance.

    As far as I understood the subject is, that yes it needs only a mustard sized faith, but it has to be pure faith.

    The only in the sentence means not only a little amount but especially the quality (purity, without doubt), seen as declared in James 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavers is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. If faith means anyway without wavering it wouldn’t have been mentioned here.

    OK, it was not my intention to make a big deal out of it.

    I just think that I am right concerning this faith and unbelieve issue.

    And as you are my beloved brother in the Lord I just wanted to let you know.

    In the love of Christ

    Your brother Mike from Germany

  • Hey Cornel, can I get the book on renewing the mind in the US or how can I order it from your area? Email me man, I moved & havent talked to you because of computor problems for 8 months until now, check our facebook!

  • Cornel says:

    Hey Richard

    Nice to hear from you again! On the right hand side of my page there is a buy now paypal button. Just click on it and it will take you to the paypal site to order a book. Or click the tab right at the top about the book, it has all the ordering information on it.

    Bless you brother

    Cornel

  • Daniel says:

    1- Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
    Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
    Luke 11:2-4 Our Father which art in heaven… And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
    2- Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
    Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
    3- Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
    Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
    1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
    Psalms 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts
    4- Matthew 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Luke 11:2-4 Our Father which art in heaven…Give us day by day our daily bread
    5- James 2:14-17 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
    Matt 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

  • robert timar says:

    The bible tells us to confess our sins, read 1John, We don’t know why he asked us to do this but he uses this word in john to tell us to to this when we sin. End of Story.

  • Cornel says:

    Hi Robert

    The Bible doesn’t say confess your sinS. The word used in the Greek of 1 John 1:9 is not a verb implying the acts of wrongdoing, but instead it is a noun and it is written in the singular form. When you confess your sin (singular noun – meaning state of sinfulness) He is faithful and just to forgive you. You did that when you got saved. You don’t have to keep doing it to stay forgiven. Either Jesus forgave you completely or you are still unsaved. For more on this please read these articles:

    http://www.charismaministries.org/do-you-have-to-confess-a-sin-before-it-can-be-forgiven/

    http://escapetoreality.org/2011/01/14/12-reasons-why-christians-don%E2%80%99t-need-to-confess-to-be-forgiven/

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