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The passage about Paul’s thorn in the flesh has left many people confused and unsure about healing or God’s will concerning healing and who gets healed. I want to address some of those wrong traditions or myths that many people still believe and use to explain this passage.

2 Cor 12:7-10 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong. (NKJV)

Myth #1: The thorn was from God

Verse 7 clearly states the thorn was a messenger of satan. If you say the thorn was from God, you are calling God the devil. Myth busted!

Myth #2: God gave Paul the thorn to keep him humble

Based on Myth 1, this can also not be true. I know Paul says it was given ‘lest he be exalted above measure’ but this is not referring to him being humbled by God. In fact, if you are honest with yourself, there is only one person who can humble you, and that is you. Nobody else, not even God, can humble you. When we try to humble somebody else, it is called HUMILIATION, not humbleness. BIG difference. If God gave Paul a thorn to humble him, then that means God humiliated Paul for spreading the Gospel. Paul was doing such a good job at spreading the gospel that God thought he needed to be humiliated. “Who does Paul think he is telling so many people I love them? I’ll show him…” Can you see how stupid this argument is?

1 Peter 5:6-7 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, 7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you. (NKJV)

This verse says we are to humble ourselves. Jesus humbled Himself too (Phil 2:8). God didn’t give Jesus a thorn in the flesh to humble Him, because that again would be humiliation.

Isa 54:4 Do not be afraid; you will not suffer shame. Do not fear disgrace; you will not be humiliated (NIV)

This is one of the atonement prophecies and it clearly says that we will not be humiliated, nor will we suffer disgrace or shame. To say God humbles through sickness is to say God humiliates us and that is contrary to and in violation of scripture. So for a third time, God did not give Paul a thorn to humble him and He didn’t give him a thorn to teach him a lesson either. Myth Busted!

Myth #3: Paul’s thorn was a sickness

There is actually not one verse in this entire passage that refers to the thorn being a sickness. Now I know you are going to say, “But Paul calls it an infirmity and that is a sickness.” Well, yes and no. Today the word infirmity is almost exclusively used to refer to sickness, but that is not its only definition. The actual Greek word used there actually means feebleness, pertaining to a lack of strength, weakness, or deficient resources. The word is often used to describe weakness of the body caused by sickness but that is not its only use.

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. (KJV)

Here the word infirmity is used (by Paul again) to mean not knowing how to pray. Lacking the wisdom or knowledge to know how or what to pray for is called an infirmity. So again, infirmity doesn’t always mean sickness. In verse 9 and 10 of 2 Corinthians, Paul says he will boast in his infirmities and take pleasure in them. He actually says the same thing in the previous chapter, and if we take into consideration that this is actually one letter, then we have to look at the context and the consistency within the whole letter.

2 Cor 11:30 If I must boast, I will boast in the things which concern my infirmity. (NKJV)

Again Paul uses the word infirmity and says if he needs to boast, he will do so concerning his infirmity. So what is his infirmity and what is his boast? The previous 7 verses clearly shows his boast, and what he boasts in, what he calls ‘his infirmity.’ See if you can see sickness amongst the list:

2 Cor 11:22-30 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? So am I. 23 Are they ministers of Christ? — I speak as a fool — I am more: in labors more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequently, in deaths often. 24 From the Jews five times I received forty stripes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods; once I was stoned; three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I have been in the deep; 26 in journeys often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils of my own countrymen, in perils of the Gentiles, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; 27 in weariness and toil, in sleeplessness often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness —  28 besides the other things, what comes upon me daily: my deep concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is made to stumble, and I do not burn with indignation? 30 If I must boast, I will boast in the things which concern my infirmity. (NKJV)

Clearly Paul was not referring to sickness when he wrote this. He was talking about what he has suffered for the sake of the gospel. Beaten, imprisoned, shipwrecked, many perils, weariness, etc. Not one of the things he is boasting in is a sickness. Then a mere 13 verses on he repeats himself and now suddenly people think he means sickness. He hasn’t mentioned sickness once! Look at 2 Cor 12:10 again:

2 Cor 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong. (NKJV)

Paul used 5 words here to summarize: infirmities, reproaches, needs, persecutions, and distresses. The last 4 are consistent and in context with chapter 11’s boast that did not include sickness. If we are to say infirmity here means sickness, we are taking away the consistency and context of the passage. If you take a scripture or passage out of context, you are violating the basic principles of interpretation and you are twisting the word to say something it isn’t saying and that is dangerously misleading. Myth Busted!

To summarize Part 1:

  1. The thorn came from satan, not God.
  2. The thorn was not a tool of humiliation used by God.
  3. The thorn was not a sickness but persecution for the gospel’s sake.

I will post Part 2 soon…

Glory to God, Freedom to Man!

Cornel

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11 Responses to Removing Paul’s Thorn In The Flesh: Part 1

  • Dude!!

    I can’t wait for part 2, the actual meaning of “messenger” (anglios) right?

    Awesome message, powerful right to the core!!!!

    Bless you my dearest brother, bless your socks off.

  • Cornel says:

    I am more interested in the message then the messenger. What is said and why it is said is much more valuable in this case then who said it.

    Hope you enjoy it.

    Cornel

  • Steve Goodall says:

    Bro. Cornel,

    I believe that I am preaching to the choir when I say this…Scripture is often the best interpreter of Scripture. I believe it is important to add to your piece on “thorn in the flesh” that Paul did not make this term up…he usurped it from the Old Testament.

    I am sooooo tired of the term being used to claim that it is not always God’s will to heal sickness. On his missionary journies the Jews were Paul’s worst enemies, often trying to kill him. You are spot on with your interpretation that Paul’s reference to this term “thorn in the flesh” was a reference to persecution, not illness. I believe Paul is referring to these menacing Jews.

    Paul was an expert on Scripture. “Thorn in the side/flesh” is a phrase used in Numbers and Judges (I’m going from memory here) to refer to the people who persecuted the people of the ancient nation of Israel. This is where Paul got the term and he is using it in the exact same context. Paul would never have used this term in any context other than that in which God had already inspired.

    Your brother in Christ,

    steve

  • Cornel says:

    You are right Steve, here are those scripture references:

    Num 33:55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.

    Jos 23:13 Know for a certainty that the LORD your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.

    Jdg 2:3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.

    In Grace,

    Cornel

  • Josh H. says:

    ha! Man, I know I’m probably running you ragged with all my comments all over the place. It’s just you’re discussing things that have really been on my mind lately and I’ve just discovered your blog this week so I’m talking it all in.

    As I said in my comment on your other post, in the case of the thorn in Paul’s flesh, regardless of where it came from or what it’s purpose was, God allowed it to continue stating only that “My grace is sufficient for you.” Paul asked that whatever it was be removed and the Father’s answer was No. And don’t get me wrong, God is just in all He does. His answer of “no” was a just answer and Paul rightly submitted to the Lord. But the Lord allowed it to continue.

  • Cornel says:

    Again, Paul’s thorn was not sickness. His thorn was persecution. Jesus said if we follow Him we will be persecuted. Is there suffering involved in persecution? Sure. But sickness and persecution for the gospel’s sake is not the same thing. Joni Tada dove into shallow water and broke her neck. She was not persecuted so her suffering can not be classified as a thorn in her flesh. If she was out in the streets preaching the gospel and somebody attacked her for it and broke her neck, then I would call it persecution.

  • Josh H. in the comments above stated, correctly so, that Paul asked his infirmity (However you wish to define that) to be removed and God said NO. You change the subject to split hairs between persecution and other causes for suffering. Josh’s point is not that Joni Tada is in a wheel chair because she was persecuted, but that she remains in one despite asking God for healing.
    WHY is she still wheel chair bound? Is it because God has a purpose higher than her healing would bring- such as using her condition to reach the lost with the gospel? This is Josh’s point, and I think he makes sense, but you seem to disagree. It is not because she has not prayed and been prayed for. What does that leave you? If it is not because God has a good reason for allowing her condition to continue, then either he leaves her crippled without a good reason, or he cannot heal her. I do not see any other alternative.
    Your previous replies have amounted to “We don’t know, but it’s not God’s fault!” but I think you can see how insufficient that reply is. Please reply to Josh’s comments and questions. I would like to hear the answers if any exist.
    Thanks!
    Your Rent-A-Friend

  • You say above, “Verse 7 clearly states the thorn was a messenger of Satan. If you say the thorn was from God, you are calling God the devil.”
    You’ve made two mistakes: 1. “A messenger of Satan” was the thorn sent- it does not necessarily follow that Satan did the sending. Scripture clearly shows God has command over Satan and his minions, and could send them if it suites His good purposes, without himself BEING Satan. Jesus didn’t become Satan when he sent demons into pigs, but he commanded them and they obeyed.
    2. Verse 7 says “in order to keep me from becoming conceited…”By saying the thorn was sent by Satan, and rejecting the idea that this could be the will of God, you are saying Satan intended to teach Paul to be humble. Not even Screwtape could find a diabolical cause vile enough to make him help humans avoid becoming conceited. If you can think of one I would be most interested to hear it.
    Thanks!
    Your Rent-A-Friend

  • Cornel says:

    I am not spitting hairs, I was presenting scripture in context. You are splitting hairs to try and justify suffering, which is very suspect. There is a clear difference between sickness and persecution. Paul was talking about persecution in reference to his thorn therefor you cannot use it argue in favour of sickness. ‘A thorn in the flesh’, to a Hebrew always meant somebody causing trouble for them or afflicting them. It was never used in reference to sickness ever. So your argument here does not hold water. Since Hebrews 1 tells us that Jesus is the exact representation of God’s character and nature, why don’t we ever see Jesus making people sick, or telling them God has a purpose in this sickness to teach them, to draw others, to whatever other nonsense you want to reason. My example is Jesus. He never made anybody sick. Quote me one scripture describing the New Covenant we have God where the better blessings and better promises refer to God willing us to be sick. You wont find any.

    As for God ‘leaving her crippled’, as I explained before, if He does will for her to be cripple, she is going to be wheelchair-bound for a very long time, even after she dies. Can she bring glory to God and reach people despite her condition? Of course. Every person can bring God glory if they choose to. She could have reached thousands whether or not she was in a wheelchair. I have been writing for just under 2 years and have reached almost 100,000 people in 164 countries. I didn’t need a wheelchair for that. God lives outside time and as 1 Peter 2:24 shows, by His stripes we WERE (past tense) healed. In truth, she is healed. God did it already, at the cross. The manifestation of that truth might not yet been seen, but that doesn’t void the truth of what God has done. Truth is truth whether you believe it or not. Whether you see it or not.

  • Cornel says:

    Bryan, honestly. God having authority over the devil and Jesus commanding demons to leave people is in no way the same things as this situation. Your idea of God is the same as a ying-yang god who possesses both good and evil. Look at Jesus’ words:

    Mat 12:25-28 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 “If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 “And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast [them] out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 “But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.

    If what you are saying is true, then Jesus didn’t know what He was talking about because He clearly states His kingdom is NOT divided and that He is not in league with the devil. 1 John 3:8 also tells us Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. If the works of the devil is commissioned by God, as you propose, then Jesus came to destroy the works of God. Your reasoning makes no sense and is not supported by scripture either, which you never seem to reference anyway.

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