Comments on: Removing Paul’s Thorn In The Flesh: Part 3 http://www.charismaministries.org/removing-paul%e2%80%99s-thorn-in-the-flesh-part-3/ LEARNING TO LIVE BY HIS DIVINE LIFE! Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:47:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Cornel http://www.charismaministries.org/removing-paul%e2%80%99s-thorn-in-the-flesh-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1332 Cornel Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:10:43 +0000 http://www.charismaministries.org/?p=591#comment-1332 I don't have to answer you from my own opinion. The disciples came across this very situation. In Matt 17 a father brought his son for healing but they disciples couldn't get the boy healed. This is after they had gone ahead of Jesus to other towns, preaching and healing everywhere. Why this failure? Many sick people are in that very situation right now. They have prayed before and seen people healed, they are are praying now but don't see anything happening. Many people would stop the story there and take your very argument and say 'It must not be God's will, timing, or He has some other alternative good-disguised-as-evil-plan for this. Yet when Jesus came and heard the disciples couldn't get the boy well He rebuked them for failing. So if I pray for somebody and they don't get healed, I don't blame God because I know the problem is not with the source. The problem is with my lack of faith in the situation, just like in the situation in Matt 17. Mat 17:15-20 "Lord, have mercy on my son, for he is an epileptic [fn] and suffers severely; for he often falls into the fire and often into the water. 16 "So I brought him to Your disciples, but they could not cure him." 17 Then Jesus answered and said, "O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I bear with you? Bring him here to Me." 18 And Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of him; and the child was cured from that very hour. 19 Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, "Why could we not cast it out?" 20 So Jesus said to them, "Because of your unbelief; [fn] for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you. So to answer your question honestly: "I'm sorry your father died of cancer. We prayed for his healing, and it was God's will to heal him, but I failed your father because of my unbelief in this situation." Streams of living water are to flow from our innermost being. God is not the variable. He is the same yesterday today and forever. His representatives aren't always. I don’t have to answer you from my own opinion. The disciples came across this very situation. In Matt 17 a father brought his son for healing but they disciples couldn’t get the boy healed. This is after they had gone ahead of Jesus to other towns, preaching and healing everywhere. Why this failure? Many sick people are in that very situation right now. They have prayed before and seen people healed, they are are praying now but don’t see anything happening. Many people would stop the story there and take your very argument and say ‘It must not be God’s will, timing, or He has some other alternative good-disguised-as-evil-plan for this. Yet when Jesus came and heard the disciples couldn’t get the boy well He rebuked them for failing. So if I pray for somebody and they don’t get healed, I don’t blame God because I know the problem is not with the source. The problem is with my lack of faith in the situation, just like in the situation in Matt 17.

Mat 17:15-20 “Lord, have mercy on my son, for he is an epileptic [fn] and suffers severely; for he often falls into the fire and often into the water. 16 “So I brought him to Your disciples, but they could not cure him.” 17 Then Jesus answered and said, “O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I bear with you? Bring him here to Me.” 18 And Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of him; and the child was cured from that very hour. 19 Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, “Why could we not cast it out?” 20 So Jesus said to them, “Because of your unbelief; [fn] for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you.

So to answer your question honestly: “I’m sorry your father died of cancer. We prayed for his healing, and it was God’s will to heal him, but I failed your father because of my unbelief in this situation.”

Streams of living water are to flow from our innermost being. God is not the variable. He is the same yesterday today and forever. His representatives aren’t always.

]]> By: Bryan Melugin http://www.charismaministries.org/removing-paul%e2%80%99s-thorn-in-the-flesh-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1327 Bryan Melugin Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:17:59 +0000 http://www.charismaministries.org/?p=591#comment-1327 You say above: " we also know that God was NOT saying, “Some sickness I will heal and some not.” God doesn’t pick and choose who gets healed." I agree that God never answers a request for healing with, "Oh, sorry, we don't cover that one." Yet, you acknowledge that some people pray for healing and are prayed for without being healed. For many believers, cancer ends with death, not their recovery. If it is not God's choice, whose choice is it? Is it someone else's fault? If so, whose? The person with cancer? The people who prayed for him? Just finish the sentence for me: "I'm sorry your father died of cancer. We prayed for his healing, and it was God's will to heal him, but..." I know I sound like a cheeky sarcastro, but I don't intend to. I honestly cannot think of what you would think or say. Help me out. Thanks! Your Rent-A-Friend You say above: ” we also know that God was NOT saying, “Some sickness I will heal and some not.” God doesn’t pick and choose who gets healed.”

I agree that God never answers a request for healing with, “Oh, sorry, we don’t cover that one.” Yet, you acknowledge that some people pray for healing and are prayed for without being healed. For many believers, cancer ends with death, not their recovery. If it is not God’s choice, whose choice is it? Is it someone else’s fault? If so, whose? The person with cancer? The people who prayed for him?
Just finish the sentence for me: “I’m sorry your father died of cancer. We prayed for his healing, and it was God’s will to heal him, but…”
I know I sound like a cheeky sarcastro, but I don’t intend to. I honestly cannot think of what you would think or say. Help me out.
Thanks!
Your Rent-A-Friend

]]> By: Paul http://www.charismaministries.org/removing-paul%e2%80%99s-thorn-in-the-flesh-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-934 Paul Fri, 06 Aug 2010 00:22:39 +0000 http://www.charismaministries.org/?p=591#comment-934 I'm rereading some of your old posts, wanting to comment, then seeing I already have! But I don't care if I repeat myself. This series on persecution was great (and really ties in with my study of the Philadelphians - stay tuned!). I’m rereading some of your old posts, wanting to comment, then seeing I already have! But I don’t care if I repeat myself. This series on persecution was great (and really ties in with my study of the Philadelphians – stay tuned!).

]]> By: Paul http://www.charismaministries.org/removing-paul%e2%80%99s-thorn-in-the-flesh-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-885 Paul Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:22:57 +0000 http://www.charismaministries.org/?p=591#comment-885 That's awesome! Because of Christ, the Christian cannot lose. And I love what you wrote about the purpose of sickness too. That’s awesome! Because of Christ, the Christian cannot lose. And I love what you wrote about the purpose of sickness too.

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