This is Part 2, Read Part 1 here…

Well, very touchy question I know and this is how I see it. Think back to the time of bulls and goats. Animals were brought to the altar so they could be sacrificed for the sins the person committed since the last time they sacrificed an animal. Think carefully about that for a while. If a person commits a sin, they had to bring an animal. The animal was sacrificed and their sin, up to that point, was forgiven. If they sinned again after this present animal was sacrificed, a new sacrifice was required. In other words, once the animal was slain, killed, sacrificed, NO NEW SIN could be added to it. Hence the reason why the sacrifices had to continue day after day, year after year (Heb 10:1, Heb 10:11, Ex 29:36-41).

 

Jesus was appointed once to die. His sacrifice was not like the bulls and goats rituals. He took upon Himself all the sin of the entire world, past present and future. Some say the Bible does not explicitly say this. I beg to differ.

 

Hbr 10:12            But this Man, after He had offered ONE sacrifice for sins FOREVER, sat down at the right hand of God. (NKJV)

 

The Greek interpretation of ‘forever’ is the word diekenes, which means ‘to carry through perpetually and continually’. (See Strong’s G1336). So yes, your future sins were also included in this ONCE FOR ALL sacrifice and then Jesus was slain, killed and sacrificed. (See also Rom 6:10, Heb 7:27, Heb 9:12, Heb 10:10-12) According to the same principle, NO NEW SIN can be added to this completed sacrifice. Since you sinned thousands of years after this sacrifice, logically your sins had to have been included when Jesus died. If they weren’t included, you would not be able to even claim His death as the basis of your forgiveness in the first place.

 

Hbr 9:12            Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. (NKJV)

 

Eternal redemption! Let me Greek that for those who don’t believe the English. Eternal, aionios, means everlasting, without beginning or end, never ceasing, that which has always been and will always be. (See Strong’s G166.) Redemption, lytrosis, means ‘deliverance from the penalty of sin.’ (See Strong’s G3085.)

 

Now ask yourself this: Did God look ahead into the future at the sins you were going to commit up until the second you would make the choice to believe in Jesus and only included those sins in Jesus’ sacrifice, or did He look beyond the point of your salvation to the sins you would also commit after you got saved till the day you die? The verses above make it very clear it included the sins of all time. Why do you think Jesus was able to sit down and rest? Because He finished atoning for all sin for all time! If not, He would not be in rest because new sin would require a new sacrifice, which means He would continually have to be killed day after day because believers mess up day after day because NO NEW SINS can be added to a finished sacrifice.

 

But let’s imagine that were not the case and see how that plays out. Assume your sins were only forgiven up and until the moment you believed and got saved. If Jesus’ sacrifice only included those sins, then unfortunately for you, any sins you commit after the moment you got saved could not be added to the finished sacrifice because NO NEW SIN can be added to a finished sacrifice. No matter how much you beg, plead, fast or pray, a finished sacrifice is a finished sacrifice and as you should have picked up by now, NO NEW SINS can be added to a finished sacrifice. That means the latter option, pre-salvation sins, present point of salvation sins, and post-salvation sins were included in Jesus’ ONCE FOR ALL sacrifice. What a Saviour!

 

1 Jo 2:1-2            My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. (NKJV)

 

Bottom line, being saved and having all your sins forgiven past, present and future does not mean you get a free ticket to go and do whatever you want. But if you should sin, YOU HAVE AN ADVOCATE WITH THE FATHER, JESUS CHRIST THE RIGHTEOUS. Jesus would not be able to be your advocate for the post-salvation sin in question, were it not already forgiven at the cross. All the prosecution would have to say is, ‘Sorry, Jesus, no new sin can be added to a finished sacrifice’ and Jesus would lose your case and you would be lost again forever since after Jesus there remains no longer any sacrifice for sins. For this very reason you will not find one verse in the entire New Covenant that instructs a believer to continually beg for new forgiveness.

 

I am going to stop it here now, but some of you are already shouting “What about 1 John 1:9!?” so I will once again address that in the next post. So to answer the original question, nothing happens to your forgiveness. You are as forgiven now as you were the day you got saved. Your forgiveness can not fluctuate because the sacrifice that secured it does not fluctuate.

 

Grace to you all!

 

Cornel

22 Responses to What Happens To My Forgiveness If I Sin As A Believer?

  • Tom Fischer says:

    I think the issue lies in those who sin on purpose. Only God knows the heart, so I won’t judge either way, but surely there’s a difference between the Christian who stumbles and the one who has received truth, but continues on in rebellion.

    • Cornel says:

      Hey Thomas, I don’t differentiate between degrees of sin. I used to especially when I self-righteously looked at myself and others because then I would say, “I did this, but at least I didn’t do that, that is way worse.” Also, if intentional sin was not included, then there is no other sacrifice left because NO NEW SIN can be added to a finished sacrifice. Yes, God is THAT good.

  • Larry says:

    Great Post Cornel! This message on forgiveness is life changing. One question, If ALL people are forgiven what reason do unbelievers go to hell?? I think i know the answer– I would say unbelief, But i could be wrong. If I am right that its only unbelief…. what about “revelation 21:8″?? It seems to say that those people are going to hell for “unbelieving, the vile, the murderers…etc.” Why is God sending murderers to hell?? I thought it would be only unbelief?…. I guess you could say all these things are from the “root” of unbelief???

    • Cornel says:

      Hi Larry,

      Yes, unbelief is the only thing that causes people to end up in hell. The reason why Revelations speaks of murders and such is because forgiveness doesn’t change your nature. As an unbeliever, you are merely a forgiven murderer, or a forgiven adulterer. You are still identified with your old nature. When you believe in Jesus, your nature changes. You are no longer a murderer or an idolater etc. There are no reformed sinners in heaven, there are only saints. Think of people who went through rehab. An alcoholic can be sober for 20 years or more but still refers to himself as an alcoholic. Jesus didn’t come just to reform our behaviour, He came to redefine our entire nature! Also, God is not sending anybody to hell. He made a way for everybody to come to Him. People chose to go to hell by their own free will.

      Much love!

  • tia says:

    I always enjoy the articles on your site and others. This article to me is how the goodness of God leads us to repentence. ( to change our minds and agree with God) we are perfected forever and sanctified once and for all by HIS offering. what fantastic news. forever does mean forever Praise the Lord!!!!

  • Noel says:

    Hi Cornel,
    I really liked the Wisdom and Understanding that The Lord gave you and i did understand the message that you gave above. I got saved last year(2010) and still i feel that i don’t have faith or i can also put it as sometimes i feel that i never received Christ and that belief that He took away my sins never makes me happy. I am very sad and concerned for the same. I want to believe that my sins are forgiven. Please don’t give me a shocking reply that Im not saved:)…Just wanted to share it with you…

    • Cornel says:

      Hey Noel,

      I’ll try not give a shocking reply, but I can’t promise anything. lol. I have never met an unbeliever who doubts their salvation, so by pure logic you must be believer! But that being said, salvation is not based on how we feel about it. Salvation is based on the finished work of the cross. If you got saved last year, you got saved. The devil will try his hardest to make you doubt your salvation in the first few years after salvation, because that is when most believers are most vulnerable because of the lack of discipleship in the modern institution called church. If you want email me and talk more about this, contact me at cornel@charismaministries.org

      Peace bro!

      Cornel

  • Luke says:

    Hi Cornel, I got saved in 2010 and I was walking with God and was filled with his holy spirit and had plenty of opportunity to get into ministry and it really seemed that my spiritual gift was my faith.. however I fell into some pretty intense sin and walked away from God.. I denied God to people and even started looking into other religions.. In other words I got deceived big time! I realized my error and turned back to the lord but I lost that peace that surpassed my understanding.. I have now had anxiety for an entire year and wonder where my freedom in Christ is?? I know Jesus is Lord and I have prayed and asked for it back but Im just filled with anxiety and a fear of God.. whats the go?

    • Cornel says:

      Hey Luke,

      Though you might have attempted to walk away from God, that is not possible in my opinion.

      Read Heb 13:5, Matt 28:20, Psalm 139 and Rom 8:38-39.

      We have all messed up, even after we got saved. Grace saved us and grace sustains us. Where sin abounds, grace abounds much more. God’s opinion of you never changed, even where you felt you were the furthest away from Him. When you ‘returned’ He welcomed you, clothed you with a new robe, put a ring on your finger and called for a feast. You are His son, He will never forsake you.

      I have also never met an unsaved person doubting their salvation. Fear, anxiety and doubt are all seeds of destruction the devil tries to fight us with. Read the verses I gave you, and also listen to my free mp3 on the peace that surpasses all understanding.

  • Luke says:

    when I was first saved I was filled with peace, love, hope and joy.. I loved being around people and praise and worship music was the best! going to church was a blessing! I used to say how I wish it was on everyday.. I loved reading my bible because it spoke to me and opened up my eyes to the real truth and I was overfilled with Gods joy and love for me.. even when I went outside its like I could see the whole world through Gods eyes and it was so beautiful! the trees flowers and ocean looked amazing! I couldn’t help but tell people about Jesus and my love for them just flowed out.. Now.. I can hardly stand being around people or going outside..Church now is werid and when I try and worship or read my bible it just makes no sense.. I try to love people but its just so fake now..I know what the lord has done for me on the cross but I have no joy or love for anyone.. I now have evil thoughts and 0 energy to do anything. I cant figure out whats going on!? I want to be filled with love!

  • Luke says:

    Im not looking for head knowledge! Im missing fellowship and peace!! I want to have my heart unhardened.. I have cried out for a year to be filled again with the spirit! and have been prayed for, anointed with oil, deliverance ministries ect.. I even tried anti depressants because I thought it was mental at one point.. I want to be lead again by the spirit.. not sitting at my home everyday because I hate being around people and dont know why?..I want to love again.. I know I can only get that back from God.. I know what its like to be filled with Gods love.. I hate life right now! I miss God! you said his grace abound more!? where is it? how can I get Gods love back so I can love others?! I cry out to God daily.. I still read my bible even though I don’t understand it, go to church and I try and get around other Christians but I cant stand it!? what is happening to me?! thats why I stress out about my salvation.. I know the state of my heart and its not good..

  • Luke says:

    also I have tried not going to church and just reading my bible.. I have also tried not reading my bible and just crying out to God and still nothing… I have also just stopped trying in general, but then I start going back into the world.. I know when Gods peace is in me because I dont stress about anything and his love fills me I can see everything for what it really is.. each day now just feels like groundhog day and I hate even being awake.. I have also lost all interest in everything I used to enjoy ( sports ect..) also when I sleep I have nightmares every single night without fail (even when I pray before I go to bead) when I was walking with God everyday was soooooooo amazing! I don’t know how to obtain Gods fellowship again except ask for it, which I have already done.. I have tried all the other ways, but they just seem so religious.. I don’t know what else to do!! why wont God come back into my life and guide me and give me peace and joy?

  • Luke says:

    I didnt have to listen to a sermon or read the bible to obtain Gods joy, peace and love.. it was simply there because I believed.. and I did those other things because I loved God and wanted fellowship with others.. Now I still believe but the peace and joy are not there and now the bible, church and being around people in general makes no sense! It seems like my belief right now is based upon a thought in my head rather than something I know personally! what happens if I die or Christ comes back? isnt he coming for the people that know him????

  • Luke says:

    And I 100% agree with your sermon about the surpassing peace.. I believe Jesus is Lord.. thats what I am saying, when I was first saved I had so much peace, love and Joy simply by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ.. and so everybody should! because he is real and he is Lord! I have had 100% revelation of his love for me before.. and I still 100% believe! but by listening to your sermon there is one thing I dont understand!? why cant I find his rest!?

  • Cornel says:

    Luke,

    Your life is transformed through the renewing of the mind. This is what did it for me. I can’t prescribe you a magic formula, I can only share what I know. I have an idea how you feel, I have gone through times like that myself.

    From the descriptions you gave above it sounds to me like you are stuck in a religious rut. You keep talking about what you have tried to do and not do. Your entire focus seems to be on you and your ability to do things which you believe will get you joy, peace and rest from God. No amount of performance will get you lasting peace, joy or anything else. The performance mindset is based in the law, which the Bible says has a fading glory. For a while you feel the effects, but then they start to fade. Once they have faded, it takes more and more effort to regain. This is the religious hamster wheel that is based on your ability to perform.

    God does not relate to us based on our performance. In one of your comments you said ‘it was simply there because I believed’. That is it. It only takes faith. Not going to church, not reading the bible, not prayer, just faith. All these things like church, worship, bible study, prayer etc can help you get to a place of faith, but faith is the key. Now I am not saying you dont have faith, but it sounds like you are trying to gain peace by having faith in your faith. Just have faith in God. Talk to Him, like you would a friend. Don’t be pretentious, just talk. Don’t cry out, He is right there. He has never left you, His peace joy and love are all in you.

  • Jase says:

    I know we don’t have degrees of sin but I believe due to “believers” talking of one sin being worse than another it does make people feel worse when they commit particular sins. What would you say to a believer who had issues with pronography & ultimately led to committing adultery? How should that person deal with it. If we are all already forgiven, and as a believer you fail miserably & commit one of “those” type of sins, how does “that” person move forward? Confession to God? Their spouse? The church?……just wondering your thoughts on that one. I’ve read so many varying opionions. Thanks and blessings!

    • Cornel says:

      Hey Jase,

      The steps to reconcilliaton with those we hurt, as well as with ourselves, are as varied and unique as the situations and circumstances surrounding them. I don’t think there is one method to suit all. There will be elements of similar things, but the process will be different for each person. If you want talk about these things more privately, please send me an email at cornel@charismaministries.org

  • Serge says:

    Thanks Luke, Cornel for being transparent…everybody struggles…it’s nice to know I’m not alone
    I pray God blesses you both for your honesty.

    –Serge

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