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To those who have followed this ministry and the articles I have written on healing might find it strange that I would title a message to seemingly contradict a large part of what I stand for. I wanted to see if I could still believe and go after healing the way I do even if it weren’t provided for in the atonement. Quick answer: Yes! (Now for the longer explanation.) I am sure I don’t have to convince anybody that death entered into our world through sin. But just in case:
Rom 5:12-13 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned — 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.) NKJV
Death entered through sin. The way I see it is that sickness is death in an infant form. Sickness is death not grown up. It entered through sin. But wait, look at verse 13! Sin is not imputed where there is no law. If it is illegal for sin to be imputed where there is no law, it would also be illegal for sickness and death to be imputed as they are merely the result of sin. Jesus died for you and forgave you completely. You were pardoned because He took your punishment. No imagine for a minute when you were still unsaved and picture yourself inside a prison as a captive. Now if we pardon a prisoner, the imposed punishment for the crime that put them in jail is also ended and they are free to go. We don’t keep them in jail as pardoned prisoners! If you were in jail and got a presidential pardon, would you leave or stay locked up?
Since sickness was part of the punishment for sin, the moment we got forgiven, sickness lost legal right to inhabit us. Forgiveness of sins in and of itself provides for healing from disease. Sin is what killed you. Forgiveness is what made you alive. Life was provided through the atonement. Whether you want to argue dots and tittles and technicalities over clear as daylight scriptures, the fact remains that even if healing weren’t provided for in the atonement, forgiveness was and that removes the legal right of sickness and death as a result.
1 Cor 15:54-56 “Death is swallowed up in victory.” 55 “O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?” 56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. NKJV
The sting of death is sin. Sin has been removed from us as far as the east is from the west. Since sin has been removed, so has its sting! Since sin has been dealt with, so has sickness. Jesus didn’t forgive you only to leave you in captivity. He came to free you from your captivity. That captivity (though spiritual) manifested in our natural world through death and disease. Since the spiritual has been dealt with, the natural should line up with that. If it doesn’t, you have the authority to say: “I have been forgiven! Sickness, leave me and stop manifesting in my body!” Your spiritual condition is one of life in abundance, and that is what should be manifesting in your body. If not, you are sitting in jail with a presidential pardon in your pocket. Get up, make a ruckus and when the warden (devil) comes to see what you want, shove the pardon under his nose. You have been pardoned, now live free. Get out of the prison that is holding you back illegally. Jesus didn’t forgive us just so we could stay in jail as pardoned prisoners.
Know your rights and enforce them.
Cornel
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July 25th, 2010 at 12:58 PM
We are freed from spiritual death, but not physical death, as everyone dies.
Check this out: http://www.authonomy.com/ViewBook.aspx?bookid=16905 It blew my mind, and put the Bible in perspective. Click the “Read the Book” link on the right. It’s just a preview of the book, but it’s incredibly powerful.
July 26th, 2010 at 12:47 PM
Hey John,
I never said we aren’t going do die one day. But we can leave this world on God’s terms, not on the devil’s.
But why does sin result in natural death, and yet being freed from sin does not result in physical life according to you? That is not Bible.
Rom 8:10-11 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.
There you have it. Your body might be dead and dying because of sin, but if the Spirit of Jesus lives in you He will GIVE LIFE TO YOUR MORTAL BODY. Now we now this isn’t talking about our glorified bodies because they are going to be totally new and immortal. If you still disagree, you are just disagreeing with Scripture. Make up your own mind.
Grace and Peace.
Cornel
Ps. Here is a good article written by a friend of mine on a similar subject.
http://escapetoreality.org/2010/07/26/does-god-give-bad-gifts/
July 26th, 2010 at 6:28 PM
Cornel,
Please take a look at the Romans verse you cited in its proper context (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8&version=NIV). In Romans 8, Paul is talking about life through the Spirit, which means not gratifying the desires of the flesh (verse 5), but living according to “what the Spirit desires.” Verse 9 goes on to say:
“You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.”
Then, the verses you cited (10-11) follow in the same paragraph. It is very clearly that this giving life to our mortal bodies refers to the ability for us to conquer our sinful desires through Christ within the verses’ context. In verse 12 towards 17, it continues to talk about living life by the Spirit and not gratifying the desires of the flesh. So verse 10-11 are sandwiched between verses that talk about sin, and not physical death. It wouldn’t make sense for Paul to start talking about sin for 8 verse, abruptly switch to physical death for 2 verses, and then finish off with 6 verses about sin. Try reading Romans 8 as a whole and you’ll see what I’m trying to get at.
When one says “give life to our mortal bodies,” it could mean one of many things. For example, if I’ve had a huge burden taken off my shoulders at work, I could say that my mortal body has been given life. Likewise, if I’m healed of an ear infection, I could also say that my mortal body has been given life. Expressions are often used without literal intentions. Therefore, it’s necessary that we observe the context of a verse before making a conclusion.
Same goes with the word “healing.” Healing means a lot of different things in the Bible, from physical healing, to spiritual healing. It’s important that we check what type of healing it’s really talking about in a certain verse before we draw conclusions as to what the verse is talking about.
July 26th, 2010 at 7:45 PM
John,
I agree with what you said about being empowered to stop sinning, but as you also said, that is not the only application. The word in the Greek for ‘give life’ or quicken is specifically one that means to restore life, to extend life, to produce life, to give increase of life specifically referring to physical life.
I don’t know why you want to make God out to be any less good than He is. I wonder if when I get to heaven He will say, “Cornel, I am not as good as you told everybody I am. Your idea of good was actually far superior to the character and nature of my goodness. Your good news was actually better than my good news. I wasn’t as good as you made me out to be.” Can you see how ridiculous this sounds? How can man with our peanut brains think up a better form of goodness than what is personified by God Himself? I can’t even scratch the surface of how good He is and and yet you are trying to make Him out to be less good.
John, honestly you are not going to convince my otherwise. You might as well stop trying. I have seen too many people healed to believe otherwise, and likewise I have seen too many people hurt by and leave the church through your way of thinking. God heals. Period. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Him.
August 10th, 2010 at 10:37 AM
OH YEAAAAAAH!
Gee whiz, Cornel, doesn’t James 5:15 say:
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.
It says “IF he has sinned”, so sickness is not always the direct result of a person’s sin, right? So how can we then categorically state that if our sins are taken care of, our sicknesses are too?
August 23rd, 2010 at 8:08 AM
Are you suggesting that since our sins have been forgive we should never experience physical death?
August 23rd, 2010 at 4:57 PM
Hi Bill
I have never said or implied that we are going to escape physical death. It is of course possible if you look at Enoch and Elijah. They didn’t experience physical death. However those are 2 cases out of the thousands of people in the Bible. Therefore it is the exception, not the norm. Some will also escape physical death if they are still alive when Jesus returns. That is something to look forward to!
However the point I am making is that even though we will experience physical death, we do not have to experience it on the devil’s terms. There is but a breath between us and the hereafter. I will fight death in the form of sickness for as long as I have breath in my body. I do not fear death. I do not cling to life with all I have, I fight death with everything in me.
August 25th, 2010 at 1:11 PM
Let me clarify up front that I am not trying to be argumentative, but am only trying to understand this issue, which I have been wrestling with for years.
If sickness and death are the result of the curse of sin, and our redemption from sin results in us also being redeemed from sickness, it seems to follow logically that we are also redeemed from physical death. I see what you are saying about not facing death on the devil’s terms and I want to believe your logic is good, I’m just not sure.
To help put this in perspective, I have been saying for years that Jesus and the apostles didn’t pray for people and hope they would be healed, they commanded them to be healed. I just haven’t been able ( or perhaps willing) to get to that place or known others who have.
August 25th, 2010 at 5:58 PM
Hi Bill,
Maybe this will help.
Ecc 3:1-2 For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven: 2 a time to be born, and a time to die.
There is a time appointed to die. This is not a bad thing. I am not that concerned about dying physically because I will be trading up, this corruptible body for a glorious incorruptible one. Also, to receive a new body, to me means there will still be some form of physicality in Heaven. You leave this plain of existence when you die here, but you live on physically in your glorified body in heaven. You don’t just become a spirit. If you just stayed a spirit, what is the point of glorified bodies?
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
To be raised from the dead at the last trumpet you first have to die. You cannot receive the incorruptible without doing away with the corruptible. Death is not a bad thing, it is a promotion.
Php 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
Gain means to profit and to become greater. So again, to die is to become greater and to profit. It is not a bad thing. But, since Enoch and Elijah didn’t die physically, we know it is possible to enter the hereafter without experiencing physical death. According to your faith be it unto you.
In Grace
August 25th, 2010 at 6:35 PM
“You can’t win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.”